Hip-hop is a subject much talked about in the El Paso press since the wounding of 11 people at Graham Central Station (a local night club) on Sept. 21. "Whenever you have a hip-hop night ... it attracts gang members,” El Paso Police Department spokesman Chris Mears told KFOX news. Sgt. Reggie Moton, gang investigation supervisor for the EPPD, told the El Paso Times that hip-hop events provided an opportunity for gang members to gather together and confront one another.
The Avocadoan, which regularly satirizes El Paso news, politics and culture, spoofed the police statements with an article titled Hip-hop still at large as EPPD continues investigation. “It seems that after a week of investigating ... the authorities still cannot locate the whereabouts of hip-hop,” the article stated.
With less humor, many local hip-hop artists believe it highly unfair to blame a musical genre for an isolated criminal event. In response to the issue, the Del Pueblo Alliance, headed up by Reyes Mata III, simultaneously had a radio show, press conference, and panel discussion Thursday at the Percolator downtown.
The event was hectic, with people darting back and forth between the panel discussion and radio debate. The radio portion took place on "Charlando con la Gringa," for which El Paso Media Group editor Lisa Degliantoni is host. “It was a great show,” she said. “I had over 20 people in the two hours come and talk.”
At first the panel discussion oscillated between the heated and the ridiculous. Moderators had to leap onto the floor several times to calm things down. A few silly things were said. The question of whether or not Tupac was still alive came up. (My personal beleif is that he is holidaying with Elvis in Alaska where, every now and then, Mr. Putin replenishes them with fresh supplies.) One gentleman exclaimed that “the thing America fears the most is an educated black man.” The polls seem to suggest otherwise.
But once things settled down, some really intelligent things got said. Border journalist Rafael Nunez expressed his belief that hip-hop artists drew on the circumstances that surrounded them, in much the same way as the narco-corridos. “It’s not like there promoting it. It’s already there. ... It’s not like the music is causing the violence,” he said.
Most artists agreed and were rather eloquent is doing so. One pointed out the ludicrousness of the idea that hip-hop was some sort of organised conspiracy to submerge the nation in violence. “Do you really think a song made someone pick up a gun and make something happen?” questioned another. Most artists were annoyed that alcohol, gangs and drugs had not been brought up. Instead hip-hop was being abused as a catch-all term for all things bad.
“Violence isn’t caused by music. It is caused by social disorders” commented Donelle More, who called hip-hop a “new form of American music … the voice of the people.”
But what if hip-hop was a social disorder? Or at least, the processes of production associated with it? After all, how many hip-hop artists have you heard of who make millions rapping about the joys of raising a family or community organizing? “Sex sells” was the response of one lady on the floor, missing a great opportunity to say nothing.
Nunez brought some order to proceedings by pointing out the breadth of the term “hip-hop.” Most agreed that there were different kinds of hip-hop and that “gangsta rap” had no monopoly on the meaning of the term.
But from where I sat, there did seem to emerge two distinct understandings of the term that went beyond beat-styles or lyrics. Did hip-hop exist to entertain or educate? Was it about mentoring young people into adults or consumers? Did hip-hop have a conscience or did it not need one? These aren’t questions I can answer.
“Hip hop is what has made us into men,” reflected one member of the panel. Perhaps in neighborhoods where kids don’t have much else, hip-hop has a parenting function whether it like it or not. Perhaps it is a youth minister by calling rather than by choice. Again, these aren’t questions I can answer.
But there is one thing I must add before finishing. A lot was said about hip-hop reflecting rather than constructing its surroundings. But a diagnosis isn’t a cure. Marx’s criticism of philosophers seemed apt here: they had “only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point is to change it.” Hip-hop, of all stripes, could yet become what many of the artists at the Percolator dreamed it might be, if it was to take a leaf out of Dr Martin Luther King’s book. Now there’s a man who both interpreted the world and changed it.
There is an American prophet who offered not only diagnosis and cure, but treatment also.


















Matthew
October 5, 2008
Hip Hop is changing the community. Google the article by VP candidate Rosa Clemente: "Russell Simmons You Are Not Hip Hop"
PF Flyer
October 5, 2008
The problem with this is that once you say anything about hip hop and the type of crowd it attracts, you are labeled a racist. Not all hip hop lovers are thugs, but hip hop attracts a certain type of dress, style, and attitude that gangsters love. The types of people it attracts can really degrade a club right away and drive away the other types of patrons. Thats a reality. Turn a club into a hip hop club and crowds tend to be more violent. Sorry, but its true. And Fort Bilss will only add to the problem. Just wait and see.
RSH
October 6, 2008
I don't understand what this article means in terms constructing Hip Hop's surroundings or this diagnosis or cure talk. A cure for what? A diagnosis of what? Of the shooting? Is Hip Hop sick? Does it need to see a doctor? Dr. Dre, maybe?
On a serious note, when you put a bunch folk from different walks of life in the same room to discuss "Hip Hop" you will find a lot of reflecting and many perspectives. Hip Hop doesn't only have a story forr mc's and djs. The relationship runs deep for everyday folks from all walks of life, Obama included since we're talking about polls.
In this sort of public discussion, you'll more than likely need to reserve more time to figure out where everyone is coming from. You're not going to find any diagnosis's or any cures. MLK didn't have to diagnos a problem that folks like Malcolm X, Garvey, Dubois, F. Douglass, Langston Hughes, Jack Johnson and millions of other folk had also been dealing with and already identified years before or during the same time. Hip Hop is dealing with similar issues especially in regards to how the culture is represented or spoken for when it is thrown out there to the masses.
Hip Hop is one of the few authentic outlets that allows for people from all races and backgrounds to co-exist, merge, build, express and participate. Since this discussion involved Byron Hurt, his work at the teen dating workshop is example enough of what Hip Hop can do to "change." It is example enough to show how someone can find a problem and offer thought. Not a cure, or treatment, but just thought from dialogue, discussion and their own interpretation through their own trade which in Hurt's case you have an activist working in film. And this is just one person, one outlet.
There are many folks throughout the city - mcs, djs, b-boys, b-girls, graff-artist, teachers, writers, poets, college students, etc. - that are doing their own thing in there own way and that have utilized Hip Hop in a way thats helped them out personally or thats helped someone else change their outlook on what is. You know?
Interested
October 6, 2008
Q: When did Malcom X, Marcus Garvey, Rosa Parks, and all the other great african american positive examples become a part of Hip Hop? Was it when Public Enemy started producing great songs with powerful messages on them?
Q: When did the 4 elements of Hip Hop mutate into shooting and drug slinging?
Was it when breakdancing, djing, grafitti, and rapping stopped making the money the record labels where looking for?
Q: When did parents stop becoming role models and holding entertainers acountable for teaching theyre children?
Was it when Reaganomics kicked America in the rear and all families had to work?
Q: When did Hip Hop put the gun in that guys hand and tell him to open fire on a group of innocent bystanders?
Was it when his family failed him in raising him to have better common sense?
RSH
October 7, 2008
Cowboy nightclub shooting article.
http://news-leader.com/article/20081007/NEWS01/810070345
Bet the shooter liked rap music.
Jason Goyer
October 8, 2008
Personaly I can't see where at any point it would be, 'apt' for anything Marx had to say to apply to things today. The answers given by some of the members of the panel, whom I know, seem to me to be more of a defense. Defense against an onslaught of censorship that has been rampaging since the genre's emergence into the main stream.
In order for any real dialouge to exist, the discussion must be from both sides. It is very easy for the spectator to write this off as a bad utilization of the music. It is not so easy for the creators to do the same. I think there is a very definate seperation between what hip-hop really is, and what everything you usually hear on the radio is. I would categorize what plays on the radio as mostly pop music or 'pop rap'. Even 'gangsta rap' falls into this catagory. It is engineered and produced to sell. There is not really anything else to it.
Hip-hop, to me, is the telling of a very personal story. What I expect from hip-hop is a window into the soul of the person writing the lyrics. It may be clouded by hyperbole, and metaphors, but the core of the truth still lies within. It is almost a re-birth of folk music in its true form. A telling of the urban man's trials and challanges today.
Anyone can rap, not everyone can emerse you in hip-hop.
Slang Tung Huze (Strategic Investments Records)
October 8, 2008
There has recently been a buzz about hip-hop causing violence. I beg to differ. Hip Hop does not cause violence. IGNORANCE does. No one seemed to blame alcohol consumption, drugs, or just plain stupidity on the recent event that caused 11 people to get shot at a night club. In addition, many people made comments about the scenario without being fully educated on the facts about true hip hop. Hip hop is not something that just came to the scene in the last decade. Much of hip hop's market is generated by our younger generation who have been miseducated on it's culture. What we all need to understand is that music is a universal language in which the entire world can communicate. In my opinion, the hip hop has been accepted all around the world and has brought nations together. Yet they say it causes violence. I was inspired by hip hop to become a musician. It gave me a drive that no one could take away from me. It helped me express my feelings and emotions. It was my outlet and serenity. I am successful in life because of it. War is violence and over 5,000 US soldiers are dying violently in Iraq. I guess our president listens to hip hop huh? My point is that we need to educate ourselves before making statements that are not true. I love hip hop and hip hop loves me. Thanx for listening.
Bobby
October 11, 2008
It's not about the music, it's about the event. The event draws the crowd, the element if you will. Classical music night wouldn't draw the same crowd that hip-hop night does. What the nightclub manager and the police are saying is that having a "hip-hop night" event draws the type of crowd that includes gang members who in turn are more likely to shoot 11 people. Is that true? Maybe. You be the judge. What they are not saying is that everyone who listens to hip-hop is part of gang culture. That, I know is true.